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		<title>By: Chiquita Lee</title>
		<link>http://ipickuppennies.net/2010/03/a-bankruptcy-story-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-10786</link>
		<dc:creator>Chiquita Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents went through bankruptcy because of the crappy job market. They now just got out of it and are able to save up money for the things they want and need. But their bankruptcy was based on a debt-payment plan to get those vultures from harassing them. A lot of these collection agencies don&#039;t care about following the law and are not willing to negotiate payment terms. The dumb agencies would rather risk getting $0 instead of reduced amounts.  BTW chose classes on debt management suck. They can&#039;t change already irresponsible people.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents went through bankruptcy because of the crappy job market. They now just got out of it and are able to save up money for the things they want and need. But their bankruptcy was based on a debt-payment plan to get those vultures from harassing them. A lot of these collection agencies don&#39;t care about following the law and are not willing to negotiate payment terms. The dumb agencies would rather risk getting $0 instead of reduced amounts.  BTW chose classes on debt management suck. They can&#39;t change already irresponsible people.</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
		<link>http://ipickuppennies.net/2010/03/a-bankruptcy-story-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2271</link>
		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 02:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just now getting around to reading this, and though I do agree with you on many points, I think you can&#039;t understand being &quot;harassed&quot; night and day by creditors until you go through it. It&#039;s true that I owed them money when I was harassed, and they had every right to try to collect that money. But creditors completely disregard regulations meant to protect consumers. I&#039;d receive phone calls beginning at 6 a.m. and lasting well into the night. It got to the point that I was terrified to even hear my phone vibrate. I&#039;d turn the sound off during the day just to avoid that awful feeling of being rudely accosted by people who didn&#039;t know who I was or why I borrowed money or what my life was like. If I had never lived through that, I&#039;d probably be like you, judgmental about people who can&#039;t pay their debts. But having gone through it, I&#039;ll just nod my head. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m just now getting around to reading this, and though I do agree with you on many points, I think you can&#039;t understand being &quot;harassed&quot; night and day by creditors until you go through it. It&#039;s true that I owed them money when I was harassed, and they had every right to try to collect that money. But creditors completely disregard regulations meant to protect consumers. I&#039;d receive phone calls beginning at 6 a.m. and lasting well into the night. It got to the point that I was terrified to even hear my phone vibrate. I&#039;d turn the sound off during the day just to avoid that awful feeling of being rudely accosted by people who didn&#039;t know who I was or why I borrowed money or what my life was like. If I had never lived through that, I&#039;d probably be like you, judgmental about people who can&#039;t pay their debts. But having gone through it, I&#039;ll just nod my head.</p>
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		<title>By: Abigail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getreal, 
 
I think the banks should absolutely be held accountable for the stupid risks they took. It makes me furious when companies are able to bow out of their responsibilities.  
 
I wasn&#039;t saying she needs to feel shame. I was taking issue with the fact that she didn&#039;t seem to treat the bankruptcy as anything more than an inconvenience. As though they were inflicted on her as some vast universal injustice rather than as a natural consequence of taking a risk and losing.  
 
I continue to be dumbfounded at how lightly people take issues such as bankruptcy in this country. The way she presented her situation, she sounded like one of them.  
 
She has since explained more, and she and I exchanged some emails about the article. I have a much clearer sense now of how she actually felt. But, at the time, all I had to base my opinion on was a very flippant article that seemed riddled with victimhood rather than &quot;I took a risk and here is the fallout. it was awful and soul-wrenching, and in the middle of it, I caught myself thinking ridiculous (if understandable) thoughts such as, &#039;If all this were going to happen anyway, why *didn&#039;t* we enjoy ourselves more? Take that beach vacation?&#039;&quot; No, instead she made it sound as though she thought she really had considered it a lost opportunity -- to be so responsible rather than really living it up.  
 
When you put something out there -- even just on a blog -- you open yourself up. This was a reaction on my part to the story as she told it. Had she told it a different way -- more in depth or simply edited more with an eye toward how flippant it might sound -- I would have reacted differently. I have, in fact, since she has explained more, filled in some gaps, etc.  
 
Finally, I am not here to &quot;police&quot; the level of shame someone should feel. But I do have every right to my opinion and to express it-- just as others have expressed that they were touched by her story, or that they read it completely differently. (And their comments have let me see the story in a slightly different slant.)  
 
You tell me that I should not police her level of shame, but that I should feel shame myself. It&#039;s an excellent example that we all can&#039;t help but judge. Sometimes, with more reflection, we find new depths or new perspectives. Nonetheless, we all have knee-jerk reactions to things. It&#039;s the nature of being  human.  
 
I do wish now that I had tempered my own piece a bit. And, because I put it up without a night&#039;s reflection to consider it and let it seep in (as I try to do normally), it was overly harsh in expressing its opinion. I acknowledge that it could have been done more demurely and slightly more tactfully. But at that moment I felt only outrage at her presented attitude. 
 
So I wrote and I didn&#039;t give time to properly edit. Which opens me up to criticism as well. And I accept that the piece could have been better and less harsh -- because I didn&#039;t edit it enough. And so she and I are, to a certain extent, in the same boat. How&#039;s *that* for irony? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getreal, </p>
<p>I think the banks should absolutely be held accountable for the stupid risks they took. It makes me furious when companies are able to bow out of their responsibilities.  </p>
<p>I wasn&#039;t saying she needs to feel shame. I was taking issue with the fact that she didn&#039;t seem to treat the bankruptcy as anything more than an inconvenience. As though they were inflicted on her as some vast universal injustice rather than as a natural consequence of taking a risk and losing.  </p>
<p>I continue to be dumbfounded at how lightly people take issues such as bankruptcy in this country. The way she presented her situation, she sounded like one of them.  </p>
<p>She has since explained more, and she and I exchanged some emails about the article. I have a much clearer sense now of how she actually felt. But, at the time, all I had to base my opinion on was a very flippant article that seemed riddled with victimhood rather than &quot;I took a risk and here is the fallout. it was awful and soul-wrenching, and in the middle of it, I caught myself thinking ridiculous (if understandable) thoughts such as, &#039;If all this were going to happen anyway, why *didn&#039;t* we enjoy ourselves more? Take that beach vacation?&#039;&quot; No, instead she made it sound as though she thought she really had considered it a lost opportunity &#8212; to be so responsible rather than really living it up.  </p>
<p>When you put something out there &#8212; even just on a blog &#8212; you open yourself up. This was a reaction on my part to the story as she told it. Had she told it a different way &#8212; more in depth or simply edited more with an eye toward how flippant it might sound &#8212; I would have reacted differently. I have, in fact, since she has explained more, filled in some gaps, etc.  </p>
<p>Finally, I am not here to &quot;police&quot; the level of shame someone should feel. But I do have every right to my opinion and to express it&#8211; just as others have expressed that they were touched by her story, or that they read it completely differently. (And their comments have let me see the story in a slightly different slant.)  </p>
<p>You tell me that I should not police her level of shame, but that I should feel shame myself. It&#039;s an excellent example that we all can&#039;t help but judge. Sometimes, with more reflection, we find new depths or new perspectives. Nonetheless, we all have knee-jerk reactions to things. It&#039;s the nature of being  human.  </p>
<p>I do wish now that I had tempered my own piece a bit. And, because I put it up without a night&#039;s reflection to consider it and let it seep in (as I try to do normally), it was overly harsh in expressing its opinion. I acknowledge that it could have been done more demurely and slightly more tactfully. But at that moment I felt only outrage at her presented attitude. </p>
<p>So I wrote and I didn&#039;t give time to properly edit. Which opens me up to criticism as well. And I accept that the piece could have been better and less harsh &#8212; because I didn&#039;t edit it enough. And so she and I are, to a certain extent, in the same boat. How&#039;s *that* for irony?</p>
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		<title>By: getreal</title>
		<link>http://ipickuppennies.net/2010/03/a-bankruptcy-story-redux/comment-page-1/#comment-2258</link>
		<dc:creator>getreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you should shake a finger at them for loaning the money in light of decreased sales on the first business.  They didn&#039;t do their due diligence and they suffered for it. The bank calculated their risk and lost just as Emily and her husband did.  It&#039;s amazing how much shame we try to attach to individuals filing bankruptcy but we don&#039;t do the same for companies that default on loans or knowing make bad loans.  Bankruptcy is a tough situation for anyone to go through and the ramifications are resounding.  No one does so lightly or without a feeling of utter failure, disappointment, and guilt.  So, I don&#039;t think she needs you picking her emotions apart and dictating how loathsome she should feel.  Things happen and people make bad decisions. I really think you should get off your high horse and live amongst the real people.  Shame on you...now take pause with that! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should shake a finger at them for loaning the money in light of decreased sales on the first business.  They didn&#039;t do their due diligence and they suffered for it. The bank calculated their risk and lost just as Emily and her husband did.  It&#039;s amazing how much shame we try to attach to individuals filing bankruptcy but we don&#039;t do the same for companies that default on loans or knowing make bad loans.  Bankruptcy is a tough situation for anyone to go through and the ramifications are resounding.  No one does so lightly or without a feeling of utter failure, disappointment, and guilt.  So, I don&#039;t think she needs you picking her emotions apart and dictating how loathsome she should feel.  Things happen and people make bad decisions. I really think you should get off your high horse and live amongst the real people.  Shame on you&#8230;now take pause with that!</p>
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		<title>By: getreal</title>
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		<dc:creator>getreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post seems very judgemental and harsh.  Who really are you to police the level of shamefullness someone should feel.  I applaud her for being able to share her story and disagree that she should have her head still hanging low....it&#039;s called bounce back.  Would you prefer she cower in a corner with a razor blade to her wrist?  Just as she took &quot;a risk&quot; when she opened the 2nd business, her lenders took a risk as well...that is why they charge interest isn&#039;t it?   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post seems very judgemental and harsh.  Who really are you to police the level of shamefullness someone should feel.  I applaud her for being able to share her story and disagree that she should have her head still hanging low&#8230;.it&#039;s called bounce back.  Would you prefer she cower in a corner with a razor blade to her wrist?  Just as she took &quot;a risk&quot; when she opened the 2nd business, her lenders took a risk as well&#8230;that is why they charge interest isn&#039;t it?</p>
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