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Okay, I admit it: I’m weird. I actually find taxes kind of fun. Or, at the very least, interesting.

I like finding deductions and figuring out how to lower net income etc. And so I’ve been doing my own taxes — and a few friends/family — for the last few years.

I even took a class at the local community college, where I was studying accounting. But it happened to be one of those freak winters where Seattle actually had snow, which caused class to be cancelled several times. I also missed classes due to fatigue.

Since there was no textbook — I’m guessing due to the ever-shifting tax law, though maybe the teacher was just weird — I just don’t feel like I learned enough to feel really trustworthy overall.

I mean, I can do basic business deductions/self-employment tax stuff. And when I have questions, I call the IRS for answers. Still, I would like to feel a bit more authoritative — especially considering the consequences of getting such things wrong.

So I am considering signing up for an H&R Block course.

For $250, you learn the ins and outs of taxes. Which is to say, you learn at least as much as the people who work at places like H&R Block. From what I understand, the company basically uses these courses as a potential workforce pool.

Okay, $250 is not exactly tiny. Then again, even simple returns from a tax preparation service can easily run $100. So, in the second year of doing your own taxes, you’ll probably break even. And you can always hurry the process along by putting out your shingle come tax time. Even if you charge $20-30 an hour, you’re still a small fraction of regular places.

Of course, you can rely on tax software, especially if your returns are simple. There are usually specials that allow you to get the software relatively cheaply. I think my mom got hers free after rebate.

Still, I want to be sure I know as many deductions and loopholes as possible.

The year I took the tax class, I was reminded that people traveling for work can opt for actual or per diem expenses. The latter is for people who don’t want the hassle of keeping receipts, etc.

Since the average per diem is at least $50, I saved a friend a bunch of money when she was offered a month-long stint in another state. She stayed with a friend during the time and cooked her own meals. But she was allowed to deduct the same amount as someone who stayed in a hotel and ate every meal out.

Those kinds of details are what I’m afraid I’m missing out on by not taking a professional course.

That said, I may not make it into a class this year. All the overtime I’ve been working has really taken its toll, and Tim’s concerned that I’ll be stretching myself too thin if I jump into a tax class in mid-September.

My argument is that I will have had the better part of 6 weeks to decompress, since the other worker is coming back from maternity leave soon. But we got awfully  close to bickering about realistic expectations versus Type A personalities. So I suggested we just table the discussion until early September.

For those of you without severe fatigue — whether from a disability or life in general — I do highly recommend taking the course. It might just be the most frugal $250 you ever dished out!

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1 Elizabeth July 26, 2010 at 4:41 pm

My understanding is the same as you mentioned – that H&R Block uses these classes as potential season employee pools. Does Tim have any interest in taking the class, with our without you? Working for H&R Block is yet one more source of at least seasonal employment in the future…

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Abigail Reply:

Elizabeth,

Yeah I considered that. But with his ADD, numbers make Tim's head want to implode. And I consider it a bad idea to try and make a life with an imploded-head man. Just too messy.

I think he could do it — he just doesn't have a lot of faith in himself as far as math experience — but it would be stressful and unpleasant. And it would once again be something he couldn't do until the future.

That said, maybe if I take a community college course instead — which would have more time to learn etc — I'd try to convince him to take it. .Not sure how well that would go over though…

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Abigail Reply:

Elizabeth,

Yeah I considered that. But with his ADD, numbers make Tim's head want to implode. And I consider it a bad idea to try and make a life with an imploded-head man. Just too messy.

I think he could do it — he just doesn't have a lot of faith in himself as far as math experience — but it would be stressful and unpleasant. And it would once again be something he couldn't do until the future.

That said, maybe if I take a community college course instead — which would have more time to learn etc — I'd try to convince him to take it. .Not sure how well that would go over though…

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2 Lynn July 26, 2010 at 4:57 pm

I took the class in 2005 without any intention of working with them. Honestly, I have a master's degree in Chemistry and the class was a joke. I loved it, don't get me wrong, and it only affirmed my thinking that I should have been an accountant. But, no one took the class seriously. They all cheated on the quizzes and exams and I came to realize that the people I took the class with were actually going to be doing someone's taxes. I know someone that took the class this past year and it had changed and was computer based so maybe its harder the cheat? While you learn the basics of the 1040, I actually needed to do the advanced classes that deal with business deductions, depreciation and the AMT. That required more classes that I didn't have time for the following year. (You can't take any advanced classes until you meet all the prerequisites)

Another thing to consider if you are going to work for them is that you will have to work a lot. My friend who took the class this past year had no life from March-April 15th. She didn't get the choice of only working 1 or 2 days a week.

Maybe my experience is not indicative of how it is everywhere…I just lost a lot of respect for the company after taking the class.

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Abigail Reply:

Lynn,

I agree that some of the people who work there are rather scary when it comes to education level.

I didn't mean to imply that I would go work for them, though. I just want the experience. I'm also going to check into community college courses around here, so that I would at least have options. But, sadly, I think "H&R Block certified" or whatever wording you use goes further with the average person.

That said, if you don't learn business deductions or much beyond basic 1040s, it seems pointless to spend all that time/money. So perhaps I'll have to investigate further.

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Lynn Reply:

Personally if I had to do it again I would try and look for something else. But it would probably be a lot more expensive. You touch on Schedule C but really you don't go into too many details. I am not sure how much the extra courses are but these are the other courses offered:
* Schedule D: Capital gains, losses and other transactions
* Depreciation
* Schedule E: Rental income and other Schedule E income
* Business income
* Dispositions of business assets
* Amended returns
* Home office
* Employee business expenses
* Conversions, rollovers and distributions
* High-income taxpayers
* Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) (computer-based training)
* Schedule F: Farm income and expense (computer-based training)

I could have easily taken at least 5 more classes but decided not to.

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Lynn Reply:

Personally if I had to do it again I would try and look for something else. But it would probably be a lot more expensive. You touch on Schedule C but really you don't go into too many details. I am not sure how much the extra courses are but these are the other courses offered:
* Schedule D: Capital gains, losses and other transactions
* Depreciation
* Schedule E: Rental income and other Schedule E income
* Business income
* Dispositions of business assets
* Amended returns
* Home office
* Employee business expenses
* Conversions, rollovers and distributions
* High-income taxpayers
* Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) (computer-based training)
* Schedule F: Farm income and expense (computer-based training)

I could have easily taken at least 5 more classes but decided not to.

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Abigail Reply:

Lynn,

I agree that some of the people who work there are rather scary when it comes to education level.

I didn't mean to imply that I would go work for them, though. I just want the experience. I'm also going to check into community college courses around here, so that I would at least have options. But, sadly, I think "H&R Block certified" or whatever wording you use goes further with the average person.

That said, if you don't learn business deductions or much beyond basic 1040s, it seems pointless to spend all that time/money. So perhaps I'll have to investigate further.

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3 Melly July 26, 2010 at 9:22 pm

My return is very simple and it's really not worth it for me to take the course or even to pay someone to do my taxes. However, I can see how it would be an advantage to some people, plus it never hurts to have something extra for your resume.

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4 Catseye July 27, 2010 at 12:52 am

What a great suggestion! I've been thinking of taking classes to help me better understand finances and this sounds really interesting. Also, there's the possibility for part-time work.

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5 Dawn July 27, 2010 at 9:03 pm

With my layoff coming up, I have been considering this as an option for the upcoming tax year. I'm like you.. taxes interest me and anyway I can save money through deductions, etc – I'm all for it.

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